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Quality Goals
  1. C-class
  2. B-class
  3. GA
  4. A-class
  5. FA
Headings
  • Etymology and development of the word - Needs refs!
  • History
  • Ancient
  • Middle ages
  • Early modern era
  • Modern era
  • Nations
  • Countries of the world
  • See also
  • External links - This needs to be kept under control
Important todos
  1. Finish more sections
  2. Improve
  • Write section with an account of how the modern word came into use, with its different and ambiguous uses.
  • Expand and improve the "see also" section
  • Categorize the article!
Things not to do
  • Do not go into detailed examples of how the concepts explained in this article relate to real-life controversial situations. These are best left to articles about individual countries or events.
  • Do not seek narrowly to define the word country without first considering the range of dictionary definitions such as OED and Chambers (British); Macquarie (Australian); Webster (American).

Origin[edit]

This article needs a history/origin section. It is incomplete without answers to the following questions: When and where did the first countries appear? Under what circumstances? Who formed them, and how? How did the idea of "country" spread so that the world went from having no countries to today's situation in which almost the entire globe is cut up into separate political units called "countries"? Athana (talk) 15:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Nonsense[edit]

Here are two quotes from this article's introduction, that should be improved:

  • "A country is a region [...]"
  • "A country may be an independent sovereign state [...]"

Here is a quote from the article "Sovereign state":

  • "In international law, a sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity [...]"

Unless "region" refers to something nonphysical, which the page "Region (disambiguation)" does not seem to indicate it should, what I have quoted above adds up to plain nonsense. If a country "is" an "area of land or water that is part of a larger whole" (quote from "Region (disambiguation)"), then it "may" not, contrary to what this article says, also be a sovereign state. Because a sovereign state is, then, a nonphysical entity.

A country may, however, be a part of what a nonphysical juridical entity of the sovereign state kind owns. To try to illustrate, some business company may own, for example, a car. But that doesn't mean that we can therefore now say that a car "may be" a business company. A car is a physical object made of metal and glass and plastic and so on. It is not a nonphysical entity, and is certainly not a business company, even though it is something a nonphysical entity such as a business company may own.

Regards,
--62.16.186.44 (talk) 17:53, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Rubbish. All countries are regions, some are states, some are not. The definition of "Sovereign state" "In international law" by no means tells all the story. Johnbod (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Johnbod, thank you for the quick reply. I appreciate that. However, what I stated is immediately obvious.
"[...] by no means tells all the story."
I would like to hear more about what should be added to countries being defined as land, and states being defined as entities. --62.16.186.44 (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
A country is the physical territory of a state (sovereign or otherwise). However, our current lead does not really explain that well. Kaldari (talk) 20:11, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Poor definition[edit]

The current definition is fairly useless, IMO. If a country is any "region that is identified as a distinct entity in political geography", that would include things like the Antarctic Treaty Area, the Pacific Ocean, California, etc. none of which are considered countries. The definition needs to mention something about a country being the territory of a nation or state (as most dictionaries do). Kaldari (talk) 19:58, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps, but the definition it was changed to A country is the territory controlled by or associated with a national government. would seem to exclude England, which has no national government. I have changed the Lead to say A country is a region that is identified as a distinct national entity in political geography. Daicaregos (talk) 14:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. That seems like a good solution. Kaldari (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Regarding Spain[edit]

Hello, I think a small part of the text should be changed to be factual correct and less biased.

We can read on the text:

"In the Kingdom of Spain, the regions of Galicia, the Catalan speaking parts (referred as Catalan Countries) and the Basque Country are non-sovereign states or group of states (namely, autonomous communities under the Spanish law) which are generally referred as countries".

In my opinion there are misconceptions here.

1 - Catalan Countries is a definition only used by the catalan nationalist movement that it is not widely accepted. It is also very ambiguous, so it cannot be used as a definition or as a fact. The correct sentence would be "the Catalan speaking parts (Catalonia, Valencia and Balearic Islands)".

2 - non-sovereign states or group of states: who defines them as so? It needs a source.

3 - "generally referred as countries", it also needs a source, they are not generally referred as countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.47.16.217 (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2018 (UTC)